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[Spider-Dan]

Maybe she didn't die from from a gun wound, but "of natural causes" with a gun wound  

CF, since we clearly don't know, inform us: what really happened on January 6th?
Were there crimes committed?  If so, who should go to prison, and who should be pardoned?

[CF DolFan]

Maybe she didn't die from from a gun wound, but "of natural causes" with a gun wound  

CF, since we clearly don't know, inform us: what really happened on January 6th?
Were there crimes committed?  If so, who should go to prison, and who should be pardoned?

I'll tell you once it has been investigated. As it is we know Democrats kept the National Guard away even under so called threat. We're hearing that a ton of FBI agents were dressed in plain clothes and inciting the crowds as well as the pipe bombs were planted by ... we will just call them non conservatives at this point. I've see a lot of video that supposedly wasn't allowed into the investigation and much of it paints a pretty experience between police and those crazy insurrectionists.

One thing you have to admit ... well maybe not per se ... but isn't it odd these interviews where so much "information" was gained have been destroyed before going public? Considering some of the people who were interviewed swears that's not what they said of facts were purposely ommitted. Based on the current state of the vaccine information coming out we are running out of conspiracies.


Just today Zuckerberg was again throwing them under the bus on Joe Rogan!

Mark Zuckerberg on a new episode of Joe Rogan's podcast BLASTS the Biden regime:

"They pushed us super hard to take down things that were true... anything that says vaccines might have side effects you basically need to take down."

The truth is coming out now.

[Spider-Dan]

I'll tell you once it has been investigated. As it is we know Democrats kept the National Guard away even under so called threat.

The governors of Virginia and Maryland are legally not permitted to deploy their National Guardmen to the District of Columbia unless requested by the federal government.
I'll give you three guesses as to whom the person was in the federal government with authority to request/deploy the National Guard to DC.  Here's a hint: it wasn't Nancy Pelosi.

I don't know what you even hope to get from this so-called "investigation."  Trump was the president at the time, so if you've already made up your mind that the sitting President was not responsible for January 6 (either by actively inciting it with his speech, or by failing to prevent it as commander-in-chief), then what is there to investigate?  If Trump's FBI (with his handpicked director) somehow incited January 6th, the chain of command still points to Trump.

But somehow, Trump is never to be held accountable for anything that happens under his watch.  He was only the President!

[CF DolFan]

The governors of Virginia and Maryland are legally not permitted to deploy their National Guardmen to the District of Columbia unless requested by the federal government.
I'll give you three guesses as to whom the person was in the federal government with authority to request/deploy the National Guard to DC.  Here's a hint: it wasn't Nancy Pelosi.

I don't know what you even hope to get from this so-called "investigation."  Trump was the president at the time, so if you've already made up your mind that the sitting President was not responsible for January 6 (either by actively inciting it with his speech, or by failing to prevent it as commander-in-chief), then what is there to investigate?  If Trump's FBI (with his handpicked director) somehow incited January 6th, the chain of command still points to Trump.

But somehow, Trump is never to be held accountable for anything that happens under his watch.  He was only the President!

Trump said a lot of stupid crap but it wasn't his fault people went into the Capital. He literally said "I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard."

Trump has had 2 attempts on his life. Based on you're attacks on Trump that would mean Democratic politicians should be held accountable for the rhetoric that caused that too. I know you don't because you have a side and won't deviate but it is exactly the same thing. Some would say even much worse.

[Dave Gray]

^ Bullshit.

He knew it and encouraged it.  Don't be naive.

All the tapes behind the scenes and all the testimonies of everyone on his team outline that he knew it, he wanted it, he had multiple opportunities and warnings to encourage it, he had means and warning to stop it.  Don't gaslight me.  I heard him say the shit with my own ears.  I listened the the testimonies with my own ears.

He is a piece of shit as a person.  He is a traitor to democracy.  He is a crook and a fraud and a huckster.  He will get very, very wealthy with corruption.

But you got everything you wanted and full control of all levels of government and now you will get to live with that.  He will skim off the top and make deals that personally enrich him.  He will help those who help him and he will continue to sell overpriced bullshit to idiots who love him.

I will hunker down and hope that democracy survives.

[CF DolFan]

^ Bullshit.

He knew it and encouraged it.  Don't be naive.

All the tapes behind the scenes and all the testimonies of everyone on his team outline that he knew it, he wanted it, he had multiple opportunities and warnings to encourage it, he had means and warning to stop it.  Don't gaslight me.  I heard him say the shit with my own ears.  I listened the the testimonies with my own ears.

He is a piece of shit as a person.  He is a traitor to democracy.  He is a crook and a fraud and a huckster.  He will get very, very wealthy with corruption.

But you got everything you wanted and full control of all levels of government and now you will get to live with that.  He will skim off the top and make deals that personally enrich him.  He will help those who help him and he will continue to sell overpriced bullshit to idiots who love him.

I will hunker down and hope that democracy survives.

While I agree Trump isn't the best person I disagree with much of the other sentiments. I honestly cannot understand how the same people who think the looting, rioting, and causing physical harm to so many in the name of a career criminal dying in police detainment was a non issue. Those same people want to put so much emphasis on what was basically a non-event. Regardless of the things being thrown around I would think we can agree there really wasn't a plan to takeover the Capital without the use of any weapons. Obviously most people don't see it that way and is why Trump was re-elected. It just seems silly to me and that's me being honest.

[Fau Teixeira]

While I agree Trump isn't the best person I disagree with much of the other sentiments. I honestly cannot understand how the same people who think the looting, rioting, and causing physical harm to so many in the name of a career criminal dying in police detainment was a non issue. Those same people want to put so much emphasis on what was basically a non-event. Regardless of the things being thrown around I would think we can agree there really wasn't a plan to takeover the Capital without the use of any weapons. Obviously most people don't see it that way and is why Trump was re-elected. It just seems silly to me and that's me being honest.

Don't conflate facts with election results. If we were looking at votes as a measure of truth, most people don't agree with you. MOST people don't give a shit either way. If "none of the above" was running in the past election, they would have won in a landslide.

I don't think you have the perspective to understand the george floyd riots, or the rodney king riots for that matter. Cops can only push a population so far before they have had enough and take out anger on anything they can find. They were wrong to riot and loot. But as the Romans found out, trying to control an unruly Mob once it gets going is pretty much impossible.

I don't think I have the perspective to understand the Jan 6th rioters. They weren't part of a massive conspiracy to overthrow the government. They were unwitting patsies that were fed months of bullshit "the election was stolen" crap stories from Trump and any trumper with a microphone in his face. Giuliani, Pillow guy, whoever the hell else they got in a position of talking to willing dupes. From their perspective they probably thought that the government really was being stolen and that trump really did win the election but somehow biden was stealing it. They were wrong. But once you get an unruly mob going, again it won't be easy to stop them. 

So if we don't lay fault on the random participants of jan 6th, who is to blame. Maybe it's the guy who's been crying fire in a full theatre for months. The guy who's been lying about having lost. Who wants everyone to forget that he lost republican states with republican legislatures and governors and somehow the fix was in for a democrat in georgia. If you rile up the mob, you're responsible for what happens next. Trump riled them up for months and then guys like you come about and say. "nothing happened, he told them to be peaceful from the podium, .. obviously not his fault", give me a break.

[Spider-Dan]

Trump said a lot of stupid crap but it wasn't his fault people went into the Capital. He literally said "I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard."

You say "peacefully and patriotically" like it absolves him, but you're actually confirming his guilt.

Trump, as a sitting President, sent the mob to the Capitol explicitly to prevent Congress from confirming Biden as his successor.  Whether he sent them to do so "peacefully" or not is irrelevant; it is textbook sedition.  When Commander-in Chief Donald Trump was notified that this "peaceful protest" had become violent and taken over the Capitol, he did nothing to stop it; the Vice President (illegally!) ordered troops to the Capitol to end it.

Trump has had 2 attempts on his life. Based on you're attacks on Trump that would mean Democratic politicians should be held accountable for the rhetoric that caused that too. I know you don't because you have a side and won't deviate but it is exactly the same thing. Some would say even much worse.

If Biden had held a rally in which he told a mob of people, "You guys need to peacefully and patriotically go down the street to the Trump rally and make sure Donald Trump cannot become president again," he would absolutely be blamed for an assassination attempt that took place at said rally.

And even if we set that aside, one of the primary arguments from the right is that the violent takeover of the Capitol was "instigated by" undercover agents of Trump's FBI inciting violence.  So to make this analogy accurate, undercover agents of Biden's FBI would have had to have incited a Trump assassination.  This didn't happen, but if it had, you had damn well better believe Biden himself would be held accountable for it.

I honestly cannot understand how the same people who think the looting, rioting, and causing physical harm to so many in the name of a career criminal dying in police detainment was a non issue. Those same people want to put so much emphasis on what was basically a non-event.

Dave, Fau, and I think the looters and arsonists who used the George Floyd protests as an excuse to cause carnage and/or profit should be arrested, prosecuted, and convicted.

You and yours think the people who violently stormed the Capitol to prevent Joe Biden from becoming president should be pardoned.

Regardless of the things being thrown around I would think we can agree there really wasn't a plan to takeover the Capital without the use of any weapons.

They literally took over the Capitol without any guns!  (I wouldn't say "without any weapons" because many of them were wielding makeshift "flagpoles" as weapons.)

You are trying to argue that they couldn't possibly have planned to do what they literally accomplished, which is absurd.  It's like arguing that there's no way the 9/11 hijackers could have planned to destroy the Twin Towers with a couple of airplanes.

[CF DolFan]

^^^^ tell it to the voters because they didn't buy it either. It was political theatre like the report that came out today and the convicted felon trial! hahaha at least some liberals are finally getting it. 


Lenard McKelvey AKA Charlamagne  tha God  .... “"What a waste of time,” McKelvey said. “Pure political theater.” They was never, ever going to convict a former or sitting president of nothing,” he continued. “And what was even more ridiculous was watching liberals celebrate this. Like, this is not a win. Who cares if you can call him a convicted felon when you still gotta call him president for the next four years?"

[Spider-Dan]

You claim "the voters didn't buy it," whereas I would say Trump voters didn't care.  All that lip service about "law and order" has never really mattered to Republicans; it was all just an excuse to drop a hammer on people they didn't like.  When it's one of your guys, y'all don't give a damn about the law.

I've said this before and I'll continue to do so: Trump has served to expose how hollow so-called conservative family values have been all along.  Y'all don't actually care about liars or adulterers, swindlers or fraudsters, rapists or felons.  It was all just an act, deployed whenever it was convenient to attack some person or group you opposed.

[CF DolFan]

You claim "the voters didn't buy it," whereas I would say Trump voters didn't care.  All that lip service about "law and order" has never really mattered to Republicans; it was all just an excuse to drop a hammer on people they didn't like.  When it's one of your guys, y'all don't give a damn about the law.

I've said this before and I'll continue to do so: Trump has served to expose how hollow so-called conservative family values have been all along.  Y'all don't actually care about liars or adulterers, swindlers or fraudsters, rapists or felons.  It was all just an act, deployed whenever it was convenient to attack some person or group you opposed.

Since you are so blinded by artificial hate for this man please help me understand how so many Democrats who never voted for him previously found a way to look past the fact he is Hitler and still voted for him?  Not the JFK, Elon, or Joe Rogans of the world but the sold out leftists who switched sides.

Here's one who tells why she swtiched ...

I was fully indoctrinated into the Democrat 'cult.' Here's why I left my liberal influencer life behind to raise money for Trump
She was invited to join events with President Joe Biden, Vice President Kamala Harris, and First Lady Jill Biden and she championed all of them on her social media platform.

Named by WIRED magazine as one of the top influencers of the 2024 election, Li was invited to the Democratic National Committee last August as an official credentialed influencer and given access to events.

On TV she celebrated Biden’s vitality, Kamala Harris’ political strengths and condemned Trump’s racism and the overall toxicity of the MAGA movement.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14278643/lindy-li-liberal-defected-democrat-cult-raising-money-trump.html

[Spider-Dan]

Since you are so blinded by artificial hate for this man please help me understand how so many Democrats who never voted for him previously found a way to look past the fact he is Hitler and still voted for him?

Because demonizing immigrants is an incredibly effective political strategy; same way he won last time.

The reason why he lost (or as you might prefer, "lost") in 2020 is the same reason why Republicans lost in 2008: hating on unfavored groups is all well and good when the economy is booming, but after Republicans get into power and invariably drive the economy into a ditch, the voters decide that stuff like banning Muslims isn't quite as important as having a job.  And then Democrats get control and rebuild the economy, and then gays/Muslim/immigrants become a dire threat again and we put another Tough Republican Daddy in office.

Not the JFK, Elon, or Joe Rogans of the world but the sold out leftists who switched sides.

I don't know what the JFK reference is from, but Elon and Rogan are both themselves "sold out leftists who switched sides" because they couldn't handle personally being criticized... exactly like the woman you cited above!

If you can discard your supposed core values because you don't like the tone of your erstwhile allies, those were never really your values.