Dolphins terminate coaches Crossman and Welker

[CF DolFan]

I guess when your star receiver acts up you fire his coach? I don’t seem to get it. The Crossman firing was overdue.

From the Dolphins -We have parted ways with special teams coordinator Danny Crossman and wide receivers coach/pass game specialist Wes Welker.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

Somebody has to be fired.  Grier has been very successful at finding someone for Ross to fire instead of his incompetent GM. 

[Downunder Dolphan]

I'm a little surprised about Welker.

However, in the case of Crossman...

[Dave Gray]

I don't really know what Welker did as a coach.  We knew him as a player.  I have no idea how he actually jived, in terms of helping receivers.

[Spider-Dan]

Receiver separation was pretty underwhelming last year:

[Downunder Dolphan]

Receiver separation was pretty underwhelming last year:

Do you have the stats for the previous two seasons Welker was the coach? If they were a lot better, it seems a bit rough to pin it on him for that alone.

The other obvious question has to be: how much of that is skewed due to such a low time to throw?

Crossman on the other hand has sucked for years, and a lot of supporters have been calling for his head. It was way overdue.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

Receiver separation was pretty underwhelming last year:

What is the y=axis suppose to be because for? Four of the data points it is negative.  It is not labeled  also the x-axis starts at at 2.25 instead of zero, making the differences appear much larger than they are.   

[CF DolFan]

I don't really know what Welker did as a coach.  We knew him as a player.  I have no idea how he actually jived, in terms of helping receivers.

Joe Rose talked about this yesterday and didn't seem to be too happy about it. Apparently Welker is more old school and the prima donna receivers did not appreciate it. Omar confirmed that Waddle was part of that although he has a more laid back reputation.

I didn't realize Darren Rizzi was related to Rose but they were trying to push him on the possibility of Rizzi joining to coach the Dolphins Special Teams. Rizzi has also been the Dolphins Asst Head Coach in the past. Basically Joe said Rizzi is old school and doesn't really mesh with McDaniel's positive style.

After listening to Joe it sounds like the Dolphins are doing more to get rid of people who want to hold their players accountable unlike they stated in the press conference.

[Dave Gray]

hold their players accountable

I see this said, but I don't really know what it means.  How would one hold Tyreek accountable?  I hate what he did, but I don't really know what you can do other than to get him to buy in.  I know that there's a carrot vs. stick approach, but with a guy like Tyreek -- he makes more money than God, he's the best in the league, he's under contract.  I mean...what really can we do in terms of accountability.  Cut him?  Bench him?  To what end?

I'm not even trying to argue, I'm literallyl just asking what that means, in this context for a guy as big-headed as Tyreek.

[CF DolFan]

I see this said, but I don't really know what it means.  How would one hold Tyreek accountable?  I hate what he did, but I don't really know what you can do other than to get him to buy in.  I know that there's a carrot vs. stick approach, but with a guy like Tyreek -- he makes more money than God, he's the best in the league, he's under contract.  I mean...what really can we do in terms of accountability.  Cut him?  Bench him?  To what end?

I'm not even trying to argue, I'm literallyl just asking what that means, in this context for a guy as big-headed as Tyreek.

I can't say for sure but what would Shula or Bellichick have done? He would have gotten some time on the bench and likely fines. I know it's different these days but there are many successful coaches who aren't afraid to let players know they are the captain of the ship and not otherwise. Both Harboughs, Sean Payton, and Mike Tomlin come to mind.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

I see this said, but I don't really know what it means.  How would one hold Tyreek accountable?  I hate what he did, but I don't really know what you can do other than to get him to buy in.  I know that there's a carrot vs. stick approach, but with a guy like Tyreek -- he makes more money than God, he's the best in the league, he's under contract.  I mean...what really can we do in terms of accountability.  Cut him?  Bench him?  To what end?

I'm not even trying to argue, I'm literallyl just asking what that means, in this context for a guy as big-headed as Tyreek.

Hill is a diva who has been treated with kid gloves his entire life.  Welker earned success by being the hardest working player in the building.  I am guessing Welker didn't believe in giving Hill special treatment and expected Hill to treat him the same way Wes had treated his coaches at NE. 

[Dave Gray]

^ I mean, great, but neither of you answered the question with anything tangible.

What would Tomlin do?  I don't know -- maybe trade the guy?  Shula coached in a league where guys were plumbers in the off-season and the game got away from him by the end, so that's not much help.

The Pats in their prime had lots of divas, but they had a strong core and would let guys walk -- they had a good culture that was strong enough to handle it, but they also wouldn't have taken Hill on like this with the big contract in the first place  -- they'd be the team that takes on Hill AFTER he acted a fool.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

^ I mean, great, but neither of you answered the question with anything tangible.

What would Tomlin do?  I don't know -- maybe trade the guy?  Shula coached in a league where guys were plumbers in the off-season and the game got away from him by the end, so that's not much help.

The Pats in their prime had lots of divas, but they had a strong core and would let guys walk -- they had a good culture that was strong enough to handle it, but they also wouldn't have taken Hill on like this with the big contract in the first place  -- they'd be the team that takes on Hill AFTER he acted a fool.

Tomlin would hold the line.  See Bell.  Giving Hill a pay raise for nothing in return both hurt the cap and gave him too much power.

[Spider-Dan]

I can't remember the last time PIT gave a big contract to an offensive player not named Ben, regardless of their behavior.

[Dave Gray]

Yeah, I'm fully on board with not giving Hill that big contract, but they did and here we are.  That's kind of what I'm saying -- we are where we are and we have to make choices with what's in front of us.  Tyreek and the Dolphins kinda have each other by the balls, it seems.  We aren't really in a position to stick it to him without sticking it to ourselves also, so I'm just not sure what we want done.