When will history judge the Trump coup?

[Dave Gray]

This thread assumes that you are able to recognize the fact that Trump tried to overthrow the government and had a coup against democracy.  This is obvious and factual, based on the televised events on Jan 6, paired with his recorded phone calls, testimony from his cabinet, fake electors scheme, Georgia phone call, his behavior and groundwork for the months leading up to the election, as well as his continued lies (and testimony from many others stating that he knows they are lies) about the results of the election.

If you do not believe this, you are compromised and will not be valuable to this thread.  Also, I suggest you ask yourself how you would feel if the exact same events happened by the opposing political party, if you would excuse those actions away as you have here.

So, given these facts, it's apparent that not enough of America deemed this a deal-breaker.  They saw the crime and either bought into the propaganda that it wasn't real or that they didn't care.  I am confident that history will not be kind and there will be a point where we collectively look back and say "how did this happen?" because of how obvious it is.

So, to those of us who recognize this for what it is, when do you think that this wide re-assessment will occur?  When will we, as a nation, look back in awe and shame that we allowed an authoritarian criminal into the seat of power, to appoint ultra-wealthy billionaire oligarchs to run things, and to grift from the public?

I have a feeling that it won't come until the current kids who were not able to vote in this election are not just of voting age, but the prime voters and largest contributors to the discourse and workforce.  So....like...when 16-year-olds are 36.....maybe 20 years.  I'm guessing around 2045.

I also think that, while with any cult, some people will peel off over time and realize that they were duped, that the majority of those that fell for it will never self-correct and they'll (at best) just move on and compartmentalize it...not fight it anymore.  ...similar to how things went after Nixon resigned in disgrace.

[Fau Teixeira]

I say 50 years probably, as people get further from the daily grind of the events, the facts become more relevant historically.

That's of course assuming we don't devolve into a full on book burning dictatorship in the next decade. History is written by the victors afterall.

[Spider-Dan]

There's a joke about an American comic who went to Germany in the mid-1950s and discovered that the Nazi Party apparently only ever had about seventeen members.

As for the topic, I think the easiest comparison is the Iraq War: by 2010, no one ever supported it, obviously it was a terrible idea from the start, "from day 1, I thought we never should have went in," etc.  It will take Trump being gone from office for anyone on the right to admit what January 6 was.

[CF DolFan]

I'm just going to throw this out there. Less people believe it today than right after it happened. In my opinion its because of all of the evidence being released. I'd have to think something would have to happen to reverse that trend.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

J6 will be judged in the context of what happens during Trump's second term.

[Pappy13]

I'm curious what can be done with Jack Smith's report after Trump's term is completed. Can Trump be tried on this again after his term? Can someone else bring these charges against him or is that all dead now? I honestly don't know what the law says in that regards and haven't seen anything about this. Is there a statute of limitations that would become a problem?

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

I'm curious what can be done with Jack Smith's report after Trump's term is completed. Can Trump be tried on this again after his term? Can someone else bring these charges against him or is that all dead now? I honestly don't know what the law says in that regards and haven't seen anything about this. Is there a statute of limitations that would become a problem?

Even if there is a statue of limitations it would pause while the President was in office. 

[CF DolFan]

I'm curious what can be done with Jack Smith's report after Trump's term is completed. Can Trump be tried on this again after his term? Can someone else bring these charges against him or is that all dead now? I honestly don't know what the law says in that regards and haven't seen anything about this. Is there a statute of limitations that would become a problem?

Just to give the other sides view  ... I know there as some liberals who disagree but I feel most people see this report as political theatre just like they did the other trials. My hope is we are done using the legal system for that purpose and focus on real crimes. The fact much of main street media is still using the Hitler rapist type rhetoric, which already proved to be a losing effort, doesn't give me much hope.

[Dave Gray]

Trying to overthrow the government is a "real crime" and should be treated as such.  We have chosen to sleepwalk through this as a nation, but history won't do the same.  Who knows what will happen in his 2nd term?  He could just grift and play golf or he could lean into right-wing authoritarianism or he could get his head blown off.  There's lots of variables.

[CF DolFan]

^^^ Do you think Nixon is less criticised now or back then. Same with J Edgar Hoover. Both of these guys did really bad things but also good things as well.

Kind of along those lines I think most of us like hearing Michael Jackson songs and watching reruns of Cosby when the consensus at the time is they did some really horrible things.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

Just to give the other sides view  ... I know there as some liberals who disagree but I feel most people see this report as political theatre just like they did the other trials. My hope is we are done using the legal system for that purpose and focus on real crimes. The fact much of main street media is still using the Hitler rapist type rhetoric, which already proved to be a losing effort, doesn't give me much hope.

To draw the parallel, Hitler was actually convicted of attempting to overthrow government of Germany.   Yet the voters shrugged it off an elected him on an agenda of nationalism and scapegoating minorities.  So just because the Trump won the election doesn't mean we are safe.  

His talk about taking over Canada and Greenland sounds eerily similar to demands for Austria and Czechoslovak.  I hope I am wrong but his first administration at least had some adults in the room (Pense,  Tillerson,  Priebus)  This one seems to embrace the crazies.  

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

^^^ Do you think Nixon is less criticised now or back then. Same with J Edgar Hoover. Both of these guys did really bad things but also good things as well.

Kind of along those lines I think most of us like hearing Michael Jackson songs and watching reruns of Cosby when the consensus at the time is they did some really horrible things.

Not a fan of either Nixon or Hoover and aren't going to claim either was any less power hungry than Trump.

The difference is there was greater guard rails on both of them.  Jan 6 was worse than Watergate,  Nixon didn't resign because democrats were going to vote to impeach but because republicans were.  If Liz Cheney or Adam Kinzinger were still in office and had enough support to be speaker of the house I wouldn't be as worried. 

[Spider-Dan]

I know there as some liberals who disagree but I feel most people see this report as political theatre just like they did the other trials. My hope is we are done using the legal system for that purpose and focus on real crimes.

I think the people who see this as "political theater" and "lawfare" are the same people who were chanting "LOCK HER UP" at political rallies, and have been obsessed with Hunter Biden's laptop and the "Biden Crime Family."

So maybe their concerns are not exactly sincere.