Odds that Luigi gets off?

[Dave Gray]

In terms of the guy that shot the United Health Care CEO, I sort of feel like I always did.  It's not good....vigilante justice like that is bad, but I recognize the inevitability of it and I don't feel bad for shitty people who take advantage of others for greed.

But my feelings pale in comparison to the absolute vitriol I'm seeing from young people online.   They hold this guy up as a hero.

So, two questions, what are the odds of jury nullification?  All it takes is one person.  And of that, what ramifications might happen if he is set free?

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

I doubt he will be found not guilty by a jury.  But I think it is quite possible there is a hung jury.  In a trial that gets more attention than OJ with over 95% of the protesters shouting "not guilty" and only a dozen demanding justice for the CEO.  Before the second trial the DA offers time served + probation if he pleads to manslaughter.  If he is convicted NYC could see riots that rival what LA had after the Rodney King verdict.

I would consider a hung jury a victory.

Be interesting if someone challenged Briggs this fall on a platform of dropping the charges and cracking down on white collar crimes of defrauding consumers

[Spider-Dan]

If he is convicted NYC could see riots that rival what LA had after the Rodney King verdict.

That comparison is bonkers.

Everyone agrees that Luigi killed that man in cold blood.  The idea that a murder conviction for a clear and obvious murder would be received the same as four officers being found not guilty of police brutality after being caught on video is just insane.

There is zero chance there will be "Rodney King-level riots" if Luigi is found guilty.  If there were enough anger against the healthcare industry for people to riot in response to an obvious murderer being convicted of murder, people would already be rioting right now.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

That comparison is bonkers.

Everyone agrees that Luigi killed that man in cold blood.  The idea that a murder conviction for a clear and obvious murder would be received the same as four officers being found not guilty of police brutality after being caught on video is just insane.

There is zero chance there will be "Rodney King-level riots" if Luigi is found guilty.  If there were enough anger against the healthcare industry for people to riot in response to an obvious murderer being convicted of murder, people would already be rioting right now.

The anger exists, it just needs a trigger.  The riots in LA weren't about one incident of excessive force. 

[Spider-Dan]

They were about a blatant and obvious injustice and lack of accountability - even when the police were caught on camera clearly committing a crime.

That is nothing like Luigi's killing, or his potential conviction.  If anything, the closer analogy would be if he were found Not Guilty.

[CF DolFan]

I agree with Spider ... the Rodney King thing was a horrible injustice. This was a kid that took the law into his own hands and became judge, jury, and executioner because he didn't like the job he is doing.  If you blast drug dealer on the street just because you know his drugs killed someone you will still go to jail. If Luigi gets off it would be similar to the OJ trial but actually worse because they have video of him doing it.

[Sibster]

He could also try to claim temporary insanity and hope for an NGRI.   

[Dave Gray]

There isn't really a direct one to one, which I why I find this interesting.  There are shades of OJ, sure -- but in the case of OJ, I don't think anyone thought that Nicole deserved it; it was that the system was screwing people for a while and this was a way to throw that system into upheaval.

The closest I can think of was that guy that went up and shot that guy that molested his son while he was in police custody.  There was no reasonable case to be made for justifiable homicide other than...y'know...the guy had it coming.

[Sibster]

The closest I can think of was that guy that went up and shot that guy that molested his son while he was in police custody.  There was no reasonable case to be made for justifiable homicide other than...y'know...the guy had it coming.

The question is, what would any father do in this case?   Do you have kids?   I have two boys and if anyone ever molested them, I'd blow that sumbitch away.  They'd be a dead dog just like the guy that got shot while in police custory.

[Spider-Dan]

And then you should be convicted of murder and go to prison for a couple decades.

As the pro-law-and-order folks like to say, "You do the crime, you do the time."

[CF DolFan]

There isn't really a direct one to one, which I why I find this interesting.  There are shades of OJ, sure -- but in the case of OJ, I don't think anyone thought that Nicole deserved it; it was that the system was screwing people for a while and this was a way to throw that system into upheaval.

The closest I can think of was that guy that went up and shot that guy that molested his son while he was in police custody.  There was no reasonable case to be made for justifiable homicide other than...y'know...the guy had it coming.

I disagree. Molesting kids is illegal and outside of a few extremists, most people find it disgusting. This guy was killed because he was practicing free enterprise which is entirely legal. People can argue his morals, but he did nothing illegal.

[Dave Gray]

The question is, what would any father do in this case?   Do you have kids?   I have two boys and if anyone ever molested them, I'd blow that sumbitch away.  They'd be a dead dog just like the guy that got shot while in police custory.

People say that, but they wouldn't.  Kids are molested every day.  They're murdered.  All kinds of bad things happen and very, very rarely is there vigilante justice in broad daylight.

[Dave Gray]

I disagree. Molesting kids is illegal and outside of a few extremists, most people find it disgusting. This guy was killed because he was practicing free enterprise which is entirely legal. People can argue his morals, but he did nothing illegal.

I'm not arguing that YOU should think that he deserved it.  I'm telling you that there are lots of vocal people out there who think he had it coming.  That's the comparison I'm drawing.  If any of those people are on the jury, that could sway how it works.

[CF DolFan]

I'm not arguing that YOU should think that he deserved it.  I'm telling you that there are lots of vocal people out there who think he had it coming.  That's the comparison I'm drawing.  If any of those people are on the jury, that could sway how it works.

Gotcha

[Sibster]

People say that, but they wouldn't.  Kids are molested every day.  They're murdered.  All kinds of bad things happen and very, very rarely is there vigilante justice in broad daylight.

I'm sure there's more vigilante justice than you think.  Just not in broad daylight.  Not on the scope of the movie A Time To Kill with Matthew Mconaghey and Samuel L. Jackson.

I'm not arguing that YOU should think that he deserved it.  I'm telling you that there are lots of vocal people out there who think he had it coming.  That's the comparison I'm drawing.  If any of those people are on the jury, that could sway how it works.

I'm sure a lot of people think he had it coming, especially people who were policyholders and got screwed (or were related to those who were).   The big question is, was Luigi one of those people?