Odds that Luigi gets off?

[Spider-Dan]

This guy was killed because he was practicing free enterprise which is entirely legal. People can argue his morals, but he did nothing illegal.

OJ Simpson, Casey Anthony, and George Zimmerman were found to have committed no crime.

Hiding behind the law does not excuse deeply immoral and unethical acts.

[Phishfan]

Casey Anthony was convicted of some minor charges.

[CF DolFan]

OJ and Casey were guilty but were found innocent. That's a huge difference.  Zimmerman broke no laws and that's is why police let him go on the night of the shooting. He was only later charged when Al Sharpton and company pretended he did break the law and tried to turn the country upside down. He may be an ass that needed to be beat up but he also had a legal right to defend himself in Florida.

[Sibster]

OJ and Casey were guilty but were found innocent. That's a huge difference.  Zimmerman broke no laws and that's is why police let him go on the night of the shooting. He was only later charged when Al Sharpton and company pretended he did break the law and tried to turn the country upside down. He may be an ass that needed to be beat up but he also had a legal right to defend himself in Florida.

We don't know if he broke the law or not.   The question is, who started the fight that led to him pulling out his gun?   And was he really in danger or is this a similar case of that parking lot incident we had over on the Gulf Coast somewhere?   If I recall correctly, that guy was convicted.

[Spider-Dan]

OJ and Casey were guilty but were found innocent. That's a huge difference.  Zimmerman broke no laws and that's is why police let him go on the night of the shooting.

All three were equally found Not Guilty of the murders they were charged with.  Zimmerman is the only one of the three who directly admitted to taking a life; the fact that you happen to agree with his doing so doesn't make him any more "innocent" than Simpson or Anthony.

In any case, my point was that hiding behind "They broke no law" is not an excuse for immoral actions.  Why do you declare OJ to be any more guilty of committing a crime than this CEO?

[Phishfan]

All three were equally found Not Guilty of the murders they were charged with.  Zimmerman is the only one of the three who directly admitted to taking a life; the fact that you happen to agree with his doing so doesn't make him any more "innocent" than Simpson or Anthony.

In any case, my point was that hiding behind "They broke no law" is not an excuse for immoral actions.  Why do you declare OJ to be any more guilty of committing a crime than this CEO?

I think arguing the morality of the CEO takes us on a tangent that has absolutely nothing to do with Luigi's guilt or innocence. I don't see any defense other than hoping they get at least one sympathetic juror willing to overlook the rules of law. I don't see there being a racist cop, lack of evidence other than circumstantial,  or a back and forth of who was actually the aggressor as we had in the other cases mentioned.

[Spider-Dan]

For the record, I think Luigi should rightly be convicted of murder.

I just object to the idea that because condemning people to die so you can make a bigger profit is legal, that makes it OK.  Because it turns out that what OJ Simpson, Casey Anthony*, and George Zimmerman did was legal, too.

*excepting the false statements to the police you noted, during the murder investigation she was ultimately found Not Guilty of

[Phishfan]

I'm not convinced what he did was legal because I haven't learned enough about what exactly he did and I am definitely not a legal expert.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

I think arguing the morality of the CEO takes us on a tangent that has absolutely nothing to do with Luigi's guilt or innocence. I don't see any defense other than hoping they get at least one sympathetic juror willing to overlook the rules of law. I don't see there being a racist cop, lack of evidence other than circumstantial,  or a back and forth of who was actually the aggressor as we had in the other cases mentioned.

I have a friend who along with a bunch of others one night while drunk called the tip line and said that she was with Lugi at the time of shooting.  A bunch of her friends also in a drunken stupper also called the tip line either to confess, offer themselves as an alibi or otherwise gave bogus info.  Each was told that filing a false police report is a crime, none of them were ever investigated or questioned.  I am guessing they were not alone in pranking the tip line and not being taken seriously.

So here is the defense.  The NYPD and FBI received tens of thousands of tips including confessions that were never investigated because they had already decided that they had their suspect and dismissed all evidence  to the contrary.  As the lead detective told you they dismissed all evidence of Lugi's innocence as a joke. 

[Phishfan]

Your friend should be charged.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

Your friend should be charged.

Probably, but it is difficult to prove a negative.  They need to prove she wasn't with Lugi.  And Lugi would exercise his 5th amendment right.  And it would hurt the DA's primary case -- rather than follow up on evidence of his innocence you prosecuted anyone offering evidence of his innocence.

Would not surprise me if there are alibis placing the defendant on remote hiking trip.

[Phishfan]

Probably, but it is difficult to prove a negative.  They need to prove she wasn't with Lugi.  And Lugi would exercise his 5th amendment right.  And it would hurt the DA's primary case -- rather than follow up on evidence of his innocence you prosecuted anyone offering evidence of his innocence.

Would not surprise me if there are alibis placing the defendant on remote hiking trip.

It is very simple. There is video Luigi and both have cell phones to pinpoint locations. Most people don't consider how hard it is to hide your location these days. I'm guessing your friend doesn't live in New York. Wasn't this a work day? Was she working? It wouldn't be hard at all. It's just a matter of is it worth.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

It is very simple. There is video Luigi and both have cell phones to pinpoint locations. Most people don't consider how hard it is to hide your location these days. I'm guessing your friend doesn't live in New York. Wasn't this a work day? Was she working? It wouldn't be hard at all. It's just a matter of is it worth.

Jury nullification works best if the defense you can give the jury a reason other than jury nullification.  Can't find OJ not guilty just because you hate the LAPD.  Can't find Zimmerman not guilty just because you are racist.  You need another reason bias and not following all the leads allows a jury to vote not guilty without saying the CEO deserved it.

[Phishfan]

What your friend did isn't a lead though. She attempted to provide an alibi which can easily be discredited. I'm sure someone provided false leads and even confessions but that happens a lot in high profile situations and a good prosecutor should have a strategy but we will have to wait and see what happens.

[Dave Gray]

Jury nullification works best if the defense you can give the jury a reason other than jury nullification.  Can't find OJ not guilty just because you hate the LAPD.  Can't find Zimmerman not guilty just because you are racist.  You need another reason bias and not following all the leads allows a jury to vote not guilty without saying the CEO deserved it.

Yes you can.  You don't have to give a reason.