Is the Democrat party breaking up?

[Spider-Dan]

Again, as someone from the other side of the world who saw all of this this stuff... there are no shades of grey in this.

They filmed it themselves for Christ's sake. People (genuinely) defending the Capitol were killed in this attempt to overthrow a genuinely democratic vote.

How is any of this acceptable in a nation that thinks itself as the cradle of democracy?

I imagine CF believes you are also "caught up in the mainstream narrative" that somehow extends to Australia.

Perhaps it's a global mainstream narrative and the entire planet is lying about Trump!
Well, maybe not the entire planet... there are still a few clear-eyed outposts of rational thought, like Hungary, Russia, Saudi Arabia, Israel, etc.

[Spider-Dan]

One more thing about the idiotic "they were just sightseers" delusion: the Capitol was closed for all tours on January 6th.  Claiming they were "peaceful sightseers" is like walking in behind looters that break into a closed store so you can do some peaceful window shopping.

[Sibster]

I was going to say this is quite possibly the dumbest thing you've ever posted, but in reality it may be the most stupid thing I've ever read on TDMMC and that says a whole lot.

Spoken like a true liberal who is on the losing end of an argument with a conservative.

I couldn't care less what you think.

[Spider-Dan]

[SCFinfan]

I don't think they're on their last legs. I do think that it's a bad time for them, but if there's a recession - they'll come back. This is why Schumer caved on the CR recently - he didn't want to "own" it if there had been a combined shutdown in the government/slowdown in the economy.

 The pendulum of American politics swings back and forth. This will too.

For my part, it's good to see the conservatives get a spine and work hard to wipe away all the excrescence that the Clinton/Obama/Biden years caused. It's nice to see a resurgence of traditional morality on the internet in the wake of the ridiculous new atheism (and its child, idiotic wokeism) years. It's great to see people get involved in civics generally, whereas before they expected some empty suit to just do the job for them.

But that's just my .02, I know people here definitely disagree strenuously. We will see what happens!

[Sibster]

I don't think they're on their last legs. I do think that it's a bad time for them, but if there's a recession - they'll come back. This is why Schumer caved on the CR recently - he didn't want to "own" it if there had been a combined shutdown in the government/slowdown in the economy.

 The pendulum of American politics swings back and forth. This will too.

For my part, it's good to see the conservatives get a spine and work hard to wipe away all the excrescence that the Clinton/Obama/Biden years caused. It's nice to see a resurgence of traditional morality on the internet in the wake of the ridiculous new atheism (and its child, idiotic wokeism) years. It's great to see people get involved in civics generally, whereas before they expected some empty suit to just do the job for them.

But that's just my .02, I know people here definitely disagree strenuously. We will see what happens!

I agree with this statement 100%.   But on the other hand, if Trump can get the economy back to what it was pre-pandemic, then you might as well pencil Vance in as president in 2028.

[CF DolFan]

Again, as someone from the other side of the world who saw all of this this stuff... there are no shades of grey in this.

They filmed it themselves for Christ's sake. People (genuinely) defending the Capitol were killed in this attempt to overthrow a genuinely democratic vote.

How is any of this acceptable in a nation that thinks itself as the cradle of democracy?

You see what they want you to see. there is a ton of evidence to the contrary. https://youtu.be/Opy7MLGAPBk?si=uV-MK-KAXunFQRZY

The MSM is bought and paid for by Big Pharma and others. There is a reason why X and others have gotten so popular and alos why politicians on both sides want to make it illegal for them to advertise on networks. The American people are now seeing it too with many liberals jumping ship after being enlightened. Of course there will always be people who refuse to see it but they also are supporting mandating electric cars one week and then burning them the next because MSM told them too. Not much of free thinkers.

You're parroting his speech.  What fucking loser behavior.

Is a fact regardless. Not sure why it gets you so upset. Oh I'm sorry  ... they are up 10% this week bringing them to less than 40% of what FOX News is bringing in and 55% of what FOX itself is doing. They are on a roll now. Look out TNT!! That certainly isn't a hill you'd want to die on if you ask me.

[CF DolFan]

I don't think they're on their last legs. I do think that it's a bad time for them, but if there's a recession - they'll come back. This is why Schumer caved on the CR recently - he didn't want to "own" it if there had been a combined shutdown in the government/slowdown in the economy.

 The pendulum of American politics swings back and forth. This will too.

For my part, it's good to see the conservatives get a spine and work hard to wipe away all the excrescence that the Clinton/Obama/Biden years caused. It's nice to see a resurgence of traditional morality on the internet in the wake of the ridiculous new atheism (and its child, idiotic wokeism) years. It's great to see people get involved in civics generally, whereas before they expected some empty suit to just do the job for them.

But that's just my .02, I know people here definitely disagree strenuously. We will see what happens!

Yes ... if a person is looking for even moderate backup in this place they are definitely lost and need to go elsewhere. hahaha

I know what you're saying and I don't disagree to an extent but this time seems different. I don't know what unites the people who recently left for the same reasons others have been doing for the past 15 years or so. Like Morgan, he is far from joining ranks with the Republicans but I think there is a pace for he, RFK Jr and others. I don't see them sticking with Republicans but I don't see them going back either.

[CF DolFan]

One more thing about the idiotic "they were just sightseers" delusion: the Capitol was closed for all tours on January 6th.  Claiming they were "peaceful sightseers" is like walking in behind looters that break into a closed store so you can do some peaceful window shopping.

If security and managers were escorting them then it would be true.

[CF DolFan]

I agree with this statement 100%.   But on the other hand, if Trump can get the economy back to what it was pre-pandemic, then you might as well pencil Vance in as president in 2028.

Trump will have a hard time doing that before the mid terms. His moves will take some time to pan out. I also don't think Vance is a shoe-in. Trump even refused to back him as the next president. It wouldn't kill me if he were but there are others like Rubio, DeSantis, DT Jr and others who are making names for themselves. It's hard for the VP to be too much out front as he is basically relegated to backup although he does kill it in his interviews.

[Spider-Dan]

If security and managers were escorting them then it would be true.

If you were on Capitol grounds on January 6th and you didn't work there, you were breaking the law.

Funny when the "law and order" types mysteriously stop caring about criminal activity, especially from the same people who think motorists should be able to legally run over and kill protesters blocking roadways.

I also don't think Vance is a shoe-in. Trump even refused to back him as the next president.

This is because Trump intends to illegally remain in office for another term, as he has repeatedly stated.

This is the part where Trump supporters engage in their normal dance of "Of course he doesn't really want to do that, he's a funny jokester" followed by the inevitable pivot to "Well of course he can do that, you have Trump Derangement Syndrome if you think he can't" when he actually tries it.

[SCFinfan]

I know what you're saying and I don't disagree to an extent but this time seems different. I don't know what unites the people who recently left for the same reasons others have been doing for the past 15 years or so. Like Morgan, he is far from joining ranks with the Republicans but I think there is a pace for he, RFK Jr and others. I don't see them sticking with Republicans but I don't see them going back either.

The Democrats are an old, old party. I don't see them going anywhere.

After the Obama election, I recall seeing Maddow get on TV and triumphally declare that the Republicans had entirely lost the culture and that they may become a "regional" party, whereas at the national level it would simply become a choice between more conservative and more liberal democrats.

And 17 years later, here we are, in a second Donald Trump (?!) term. So we will see.

[Dave Gray]

I am so disheartened.

I don't think that I'm going to chance anyone's minds, but I see people have fallen into a fascist, authoritarian rabbit-hole.  When people look at Hitler and say "how did people let this happen?"  This is how.

You're doing it right now.  You will deny and blame and gaslight, just like Germans did in the 1930s.

All of the signs are there.  Trump is dismantling American Democracy.  He may lose interest or die before we are in camps, but we are on the path.  He is attacking the media, the rule of law, democracy, institutions, norms, truth, defying balance of power, skipping due process.

You are going along with it.

He is testing these things with easy targets now: free speech of assholes, potential gang members, the poor and powerless.  But it will expand to more things.

And you will go along with that, too, because you are brainwashed.  He has you convinced that our allies are our enemies.  You has convinced you that all of the financial principles you have believed and now backwards.  He has you against free trade, for tariffs, for attacking free speech -- and he has you blaming his detractors for exactly the thing he is doing.

I don't say it to change you; I'm just saying it so that it's said.


And when and if this is carried out, there will be no "I told you so."   You will never reflect and realize that you brought about the fascism.  You will continue to deny and reframe and think it was caused by something else.  But if we live through it and come out on the other side, your kids will know.

[CF DolFan]

I am so disheartened.

I don't think that I'm going to chance anyone's minds, but I see people have fallen into a fascist, authoritarian rabbit-hole.  When people look at Hitler and say "how did people let this happen?"  This is how.

You're doing it right now.  You will deny and blame and gaslight, just like Germans did in the 1930s.

All of the signs are there.  Trump is dismantling American Democracy.  He may lose interest or die before we are in camps, but we are on the path.  He is attacking the media, the rule of law, democracy, institutions, norms, truth, defying balance of power, skipping due process.

You are going along with it.

He is testing these things with easy targets now: free speech of assholes, potential gang members, the poor and powerless.  But it will expand to more things.

And you will go along with that, too, because you are brainwashed.  He has you convinced that our allies are our enemies.  You has convinced you that all of the financial principles you have believed and now backwards.  He has you against free trade, for tariffs, for attacking free speech -- and he has you blaming his detractors for exactly the thing he is doing.

I don't say it to change you; I'm just saying it so that it's said.


And when and if this is carried out, there will be no "I told you so."   You will never reflect and realize that you brought about the fascism.  You will continue to deny and reframe and think it was caused by something else.  But if we live through it and come out on the other side, your kids will know.

If you think tariffs mean he's against free trade and that Republicans are against free speech, I don't know what to do with that at all. You obviously are not paying attention. Sometimes I do hear certain people say stupid stuff but most people overlook their idiot comments. Everyday people are begging Elon to censor ridiculous views like Kanye and yet he allows them to post as long as they do not break any rules. that is the general rule for conservatives.  The problem is liberals add stupid stuff to legal things and act like its free speech. There is nothing about wearing didlos and g strings to read to kids that is free speech. If you want to do it then do it away from kids. The same with protesting. Protest all you want but do not destroy anything private or public. It's pretty simple but people are complaining because they are getting in trouble for firebombing and or keying Teslas.  They are not the same.

What's funny to me is this is coming from people who were, or at least wanting to, lock people up, or have them fired for not taking the shot. They also wanted them to be barred from public as well as other outlandish things like kept from hospitals etc. Trump isn't restricting anyone who is not illegal.  Every president from Obama forward talked about reducing government waste including ridding of wasteful arms of the government. The insiders have stopped them all from doing so. Now we have Trump and Musk who both have this IDGAF attitude and are finding corruption. The 8 years of persecution against Trump has created the worst case scenario for the people who were doing it and Musk isn't motivated by money. He's solely interested in making things better. Now suddenly, finding corruption is wrong or an overreach. People are literally mad at the people finding the corruption and taking up for the thieves doing so. It's just so bizarro. Trump is the only person who could have liberals go from forcing mandates for electric vehicles to save the environment to them now wanting to destroy them and screw the environment. Hahahah. The hypocrisy is beyond parody.

No offense but conservatives boycotted things while liberals feel they have to destroy people. The good thing, and the most glaring hole in your story, is conservatives are the only ones to call government out when they over step. The rest of you fall in line as long as your media is telling you to. No one is persecuting any of you but yet you are screaming and kicking like you're losing something. You've lost nothing under Trump. Hell, gas is even going down and so is eggs.

[CF DolFan]

If you were on Capitol grounds on January 6th and you didn't work there, you were breaking the law.

Funny when the "law and order" types mysteriously stop caring about criminal activity, especially from the same people who think motorists should be able to legally run over and kill protesters blocking roadways.
This is because Trump intends to illegally remain in office for another term, as he has repeatedly stated.

This is the part where Trump supporters engage in their normal dance of "Of course he doesn't really want to do that, he's a funny jokester" followed by the inevitable pivot to "Well of course he can do that, you have Trump Derangement Syndrome if you think he can't" when he actually tries it.

I'll give you the breaking the law like trespassing or possibly breaking and entering at the worst. I'm just saying they weren't trying to overthrow the government. It does not help your point to exaggerate things. Maybe a few thought that but they are idiots and it wasn't very many as videos have shown. I get it ... not the videos the committee showed on MSM but plenty of others. Kind of odd that all that testimony from behind closed doors was conveniently destroyed, don't you think?  There are government people who testified that what they told the committee never made it into the report.  If we had the evidence, that any other case keeps, we would be able to verify it.