Is the Democrat party breaking up?

[Spider-Dan]

Everyday people are begging Elon to censor ridiculous views like Kanye and yet he allows them to post as long as they do not break any rules. that is the general rule for conservatives. [...]
Protest all you want but do not destroy anything private or public.

The Trump Administration just revoked the legally-acquired green card of a pro-Palestinian student activist, had him arrested, and is in the process of deporting him, all because he protested against Israel's ongoing murder spree in Gaza.

Conservatives' idea of "free speech" always and only ever applies to speech they approve of.  When it's speech you DON'T approve of, it's "terrorism," it's "grooming," it's whatever excuse you need to ban books and arrest people.  Conservatives are only in favor of free speech for Nazis, white supremacists, and other bigots; you know, speech they hypothetically "disagree with" (as opposed to the speech they actually disagree with).

What's funny to me is this is coming from people who were, or at least wanting to, lock people up, or have them fired for not taking the shot. They also wanted them to be barred from public as well as other outlandish things like kept from hospitals etc.

Absolutely, for exactly the same reasons that people get thrown out, fired, and/or arrested if they insist on smoking in public buildings or on a flight.  It's the EXACT same logic.

No offense but conservatives boycotted things while liberals feel they have to destroy people.

LITERALLY THE SAME THING
You just whine and moan like little babies when it's done to you!

I'm just saying they weren't trying to overthrow the government.

Again, they were expressly and specifically at the Capitol that day in an effort to prevent Biden's certification as president: an illegal act.
That is an attempt to overthrow the democratically-elected Biden Administration.  Open and shut.

[Sibster]

No offense but conservatives boycotted things while liberals feel they have to destroy people.

LITERALLY THE SAME THING
You just whine and moan like little babies when it's done to you!

Who doesn't whine and moan when something is done to them that they don't like.  The difference is, if conservatives don't like something, they don't get involved with it.   If liberals don't like something, they try to ban it for everyone.

Conservatives are only in favor of free speech for Nazis, white supremacists, and other bigots; you know, speech they hypothetically "disagree with" (as opposed to the speech they actually disagree with).

Those names, along with racist, Christian Nationalist, homophobe, Islamophobe, misogynist, etc.... have absolutely no power today because they all mean the same thing: 
A tactic liberals use when they're on the losing end of an argument.

[CF DolFan]

The Trump Administration just revoked the legally-acquired green card of a pro-Palestinian student activist, had him arrested, and is in the process of deporting him, all because he protested against Israel's ongoing murder spree in Gaza.

Conservatives' idea of "free speech" always and only ever applies to speech they approve of.  When it's speech you DON'T approve of, it's "terrorism," it's "grooming," it's whatever excuse you need to ban books and arrest people.  Conservatives are only in favor of free speech for Nazis, white supremacists, and other bigots; you know, speech they hypothetically "disagree with" (as opposed to the speech they actually disagree with).
Absolutely, for exactly the same reasons that people get thrown out, fired, and/or arrested if they insist on smoking in public buildings or on a flight.  It's the EXACT same logic.
LITERALLY THE SAME THING
You just whine and moan like little babies when it's done to you!
Again, they were expressly and specifically at the Capitol that day in an effort to prevent Biden's certification as president: an illegal act.
That is an attempt to overthrow the democratically-elected Biden Administration.  Open and shut.

At best, you come off as someone being paid to destroy America. It's useless to try and get you to see anything any different than your extremist position. I dare say many, if not most, liberals do not see things like you do and is why they are trying to start a new political group. As Senator Kennedy said yesterday theu have a secret plan to destroy the Democrats. It's called ... Operation Let them Speak! hahha 

[Fau Teixeira]

I honestly don't know if you understand what's going on and don't care, or if you are genuinely ignorant because of how you ingest information.  I'm gonna give you guys (except tommy, he's a moron) the benefit of the doubt that you're being fed a shit sandwich and are repeatedly told it's actually post-processed ham and now you believe it.

My biggest problem is that these deportation flights to El Salvador violate the 5th amendment, no due process is given to anyone. An ICE agent (already not the best and brightest) has sole discretion to claim (without proof) that someone is a terrorist based on a tattoo (protected speech) and then puts them onto a plane to a country, stuck into a supermax prison known for torture and slavery without any recourse. No appeals, no judgements, no day in court. This is full on Gestapo behavior.

They've done this to "illegals", they've done this to legal immigrants, they've done this to US citizens they just held a German green card holder (in no way illegal) in such conditions that he had to be rushed to a hospital when he collapsed after 4 days in ICE custody.

It's to the point where EU nations are issuing travel alerts for the united states. Legal permanent residents here, people with green cards are being advised to not travel via airplane, or to leave the country, because there is no due process when dealing with a situation where one asshole ICE agent can unilaterally sell you into slavery to el salvador without legal recourse. Cause as the administration has said publicly, once the plane's out of the US "oopsie, too late".

Who doesn't whine and moan when something is done to them that they don't like.  The difference is, if conservatives don't like something, they don't get involved with it.

yep, like abortion, gay marriage, trans people, or legal weed. They don't get involved with those things at all.

[Phishfan]

Who doesn't whine and moan when something is done to them that they don't like.  The difference is, if conservatives don't like something, they don't get involved with it.   If liberals don't like something, they try to ban it for everyone.

Abortion???

[SCFinfan]

And when and if this is carried out, there will be no "I told you so."   You will never reflect and realize that you brought about the fascism.  You will continue to deny and reframe and think it was caused by something else.  But if we live through it and come out on the other side, your kids will know.

Will we get to say "we told you so" when it inevitably doesn't happen? Will you be open to that?

[Spider-Dan]

What is "it" in this context?  What's the specific event we're looking for?

It obviously can't be January 6th, nor can it be immigrants being shipped overseas to the base we use for torturing people or detainees being shipped to an overseas prison indefinitely with no trial.  So what's the one event that we're waiting on that enables a "We told you so" if it doesn't occur?

[Fau Teixeira]

What is "it" in this context?  What's the specific event we're looking for?

It obviously can't be January 6th, nor can it be immigrants being shipped overseas to the base we use for torturing people or detainees being shipped to an overseas prison indefinitely with no trial.  So what's the one event that we're waiting on that enables a "We told you so" if it doesn't occur?

you can call it a prison i guess .. i'm going to call it a retreat .. maybe a camp where these immigrants can be concentrated .. that's the ticket

[Sibster]

What is "it" in this context?  What's the specific event we're looking for?

It obviously can't be January 6th, nor can it be immigrants being shipped overseas to the base we use for torturing people or detainees being shipped to an overseas prison indefinitely with no trial.  So what's the one event that we're waiting on that enables a "We told you so" if it doesn't occur?

you can call it a prison i guess .. i'm going to call it a retreat .. maybe a camp where these immigrants can be concentrated .. that's the ticket

I don't know where you get the idea that Trump is another Hitler.  Y'all need to quit being so paranoid.   None of that is going to happen.  The people who are getting deported are violent criminals, MS-13 members, yada yada yada who are here illegally.   If anything, Trump and Musk are finding boatloads of money that was being wasted on bullshit government programs or going as social security payments to people who have been dead for five decades.   

Quit listening to your mainstream media.

[CF DolFan]

At the end of the day, the truth really doesn't matter for people who are extreme as they leave no room to be wrong. All of us have our perspective and from where we sit the other side looks bat shit crazy. Every since Obama the left has been dominated by the far left. Every since Trump the right has been dominated by the MAGA extreme. Gone are the days of the Clintons and Bushes. Even farther gone is the day of Reagan  who won every state but Minnesota his second term. Mondale won that by 0.18% so it was pretty close to a clean sweep. Now it's either or for people.

[Fau Teixeira]

I don't know where you get the idea that Trump is another Hitler.  Y'all need to quit being so paranoid.   None of that is going to happen.  The people who are getting deported are violent criminals, MS-13 members, yada yada yada who are here illegally.   If anything, Trump and Musk are finding boatloads of money that was being wasted on bullshit government programs or going as social security payments to people who have been dead for five decades.  

Quit listening to your mainstream media.

The people who were all "deep state biden" are the same that just buy into whatever they are told by the rich corporate media like foxnews, newsmax or oann. There is no PROOF these people were even gang members, and even if they were,  we (used to) live in a country of laws and due process. There's no due process when law enforcement can ship you off to a 3rd country without you getting your day in court.

They aren't even citizens of el salvador but they are getting sent there instead of the country they are from. Is that how deportation works? take a mexican person and ship them to a work camp in north korea ?

and DOGE finding money that was "wasted on bullshit government programs" the executive doesn't have the right to just turn off the spigot. People really should have paid more attention to schoolhouse rock in the 80s.  BILLS get passed by congress, they're the legislature, as in they MAKE the laws. The president is the executive, as in he carries out the laws. If you have a problem with bullshit spending, then PASS A FUCKING LAW in congress that changes it. The republicans control both houses of congress, and the presidency. Don't tell me they can't. Don't just have some lazy bullshit where a rando come in and starts messing with the treasury without knowing who does what or what responsibilities are. Like firing the team that oversees nuclear safety and then rushing around to re-hire them. That's clown car amateur hour bullshit.

[Fau Teixeira]

One of my concerns is that how the country is being run will see us push the next Einstein or Hawking to flee to europe or asia rather than stay in the US. Countries are salivating at the possibility of taking our best scientific minds away by offering them a much more friendly atmosphere for academia.

[Sunstroke]

^^^ I'm already watching mainly European news outlets anyway(UK, Canada, NATO members)....and I can tell you with certainty, that Europe (minus Don's buddy, Russia) Thinks that the American government has lost it's mind.

[Spider-Dan]

I don't know where you get the idea that Trump is another Hitler.  Y'all need to quit being so paranoid.   None of that is going to happen.

As we speak, immigrants are being shipped to the offshore base we used for torturing people.

The people who are getting deported are violent criminals, MS-13 members, yada yada yada who are here illegally.

Another lie.  As I cited earlier, the Trump Administration just snatched up a student activist with legal permanent resident (green card) status, cancelled his green card, and is in the process of deporting him.  Let me guess: protesting Israel means he must be a "Hamas-aligned terrorist" and therefore has no legal rights.

And that's the difference: when we call the right "Nazis," we are not proposing that they be snatched up and disappeared into offshore gulags with no legal recourse.
Yet when y'all call your political opponents "terrorists," you support Nazi solutions to deal with them.  Literal Gestapo tactics.

[Spider-Dan]

Every since Obama the left has been dominated by the far left. Every since Trump the right has been dominated by the MAGA extreme.

Perhaps you should tell this to the guy who started this thread complaining about "the extreme left controlling the Democrats," yet votes for Trump at every opportunity and is a serial Trump apologist time and time again, no matter what he does.

You don't actually believe MAGA is extreme.  This is just more song-and-dance so you can try to convince yourself that you are the reasonable moderate.