Muslim Reaction to Political Cartoons

[ADeadSmitty]

Muslims are demonstrating throughout Europe because some newspapers published cartoons caricaturing Mohammed. One of them showed Mohammed with a turban in the shape of a time bomb. The editors of the magazine that published the cartoons were fired.

Satisfied? No. Now Muslims in Syria have set fire to the Danish embassy. Great. What a beautiful and enlightened culture of peace!

[CF DolFan]

I don't think... no I'm pretty sure this doesn't represent all Muslims.  Extremists of any sort are dangerous.  I'm sure some of these idiots weren't anything more than troublemakers looking for an excuse to riot ... just like Chicago.

I think each organization should push to go against the extremists/terrorists for their cause. For example I wish more top Christian reps would speak out against abortion bombists and hate crimes and Muslims would denounce terrorism in the name of Allah. It might not stop it but at least everyone else wouldn't realize the whole "organization" is whacky and they could work together to stop terrorism in any form.

[Frimp]

Muslim outrage huh.  OK ... let's do a little historical review.  Just some lowlights:

Muslims fly commercial airliners into buildings in New York City.  No Muslim outrage.
Muslim officials block the exit where school girls are trying to escape a burning building because their faces were exposed.  No Muslim outrage.
Muslims cut off the heads of three teenaged girls on their way to school in Indonesia.  A Christian school.  No Muslim outrage.
Muslims murder teachers trying to teach Muslim children in Iraq.  No Muslim outrage.
Muslims murder over 80 tourists with car bombs outside cafes and hotels in Egypt.  No Muslim outrage.
A Muslim attacks a missionary children's school in India.  Kills six.  No Muslim outrage.
Muslims slaughter hundreds of children and teachers in Beslan, Russia.  Muslims shoot children in the back.  No Muslim outrage.
Let's go way back.  Muslims kidnap and kill athletes at the Munich Summer Olympics.  No Muslim outrage.
Muslims fire rocket-propelled grenades into schools full of children in Israel.  No Muslim outrage.
Muslims murder more than 50 commuters in attacks on London subways and busses.  Over 700 are injured.  No Muslim outrage.
Muslims massacre dozens of innocents at a Passover Seder.  No Muslim outrage.
Muslims murder innocent vacationers in Bali.  No Muslim outrage.
Muslim newspapers publish anti-Semitic cartoons.  No Muslim outrage
Muslims are involved, on one side or the other, in almost every one of the 125+ shooting wars around the world.  No Muslim outrage.
Muslims beat the charred bodies of Western civilians with their shoes, then hang them from a bridge.  No Muslim outrage.
Newspapers in Denmark and Norway publish cartoons depicting Mohammed.  Muslims are outraged.
Dead children.  Dead tourists.  Dead teachers.  Dead doctors and nurses.  Death, destruction and mayhem around the world at the hands of Muslims .. no Muslim outrage ... but publish a cartoon depicting Mohammed with a bomb in his turban and all hell breaks loose.

Come on, is this really about cartoons?  They're rampaging and burning flags.  They're looking for Europeans to kidnap.  They're  threatening innkeepers and generally raising holy Muslim hell not because of any outrage over a cartoon.  They're outraged because it is part of the Islamic jihadist culture to be outraged.  You don't really need a reason.  You just need an excuse.  Wandering around, destroying property, murdering children, firing guns into the air and feigning outrage over the slightest perceived insult is to a jihadist what tailgating is to a Steeler's fan.

I know and understand that these bloodthirsty murderers do not represent the majority of the world's Muslims.  When, though, do they become outraged?  When do they take to the streets to express their outrage at the radicals who are making their religion the object of worldwide hatred and ridicule?  Islamic writer Salman Rushdie wrote of these silent Muslims  in a New York Times article three years ago.  "As their ancient, deeply civilized culture of love, art and philosophical reflection is hijacked by paranoiacs, racists, liars, male supremacists, tyrants, fanatics and violence junkies, why are they not screaming?" 

[run_to_win]

Way to put it in perspective Frimp.  You understand.

I think each organization should push to go against the extremists/terrorists for their cause. For example I wish more top Christian reps would speak out against abortion bombists and hate crimes...

Please show me the "Christian rep" who encouraged, supported, funded, masterminded the abortion clinic bombings.  Please show me the "Christian rep" who praised God in the wake of such a bombing.

As soon as Muslims track down and prosecute terrorists on their own like Christians do bombers THEN this may be a valid comparison.

Yes, we all have our fanatics.  There are many differences though.  We do not cower in fear from our fanatics.  We do not fund our fanatics.  We do not follow our fanatics blindly.  Insert weak Bush joke here. 

[bsmooth]

Way to put it in perspective Frimp.  You understand.
Please show me the "Christian rep" who encouraged, supported, funded, masterminded the abortion clinic bombings.  Please show me the "Christian rep" who praised God in the wake of such a bombing.

As soon as Muslims track down and prosecute terrorists on their own like Christians do bombers THEN this may be a valid comparison.

Yes, we all have our fanatics.  There are many differences though.  We do not cower in fear from our fanatics.  We do not fund our fanatics.  We do not follow our fanatics blindly.  Insert weak Bush joke here. 

How about the Christian leader who prayed for the assination of a world leader and the death of a Supreme Court justice so a mor conservative one could be put in to end abortions. Plus you need to study the bloody history of Christianity to see just how terrible it was/can be.
Also if you look at the demonstrations you will see the armed supporters of radical groups. This isn't a masive uprising of 1.2 billion muslims, this is a few thousand radicals trying to make a political point through fear and intimidation.

[run_to_win]

How about the Christian leader who prayed for the assination of a world leader and the death of a Supreme Court justice so a mor conservative one could be put in to end abortions.

One guy, who is regarded as a nutjob by about 99% of the nation, compared to hundreds of fanatical mullahs. 

Plusyou need to study the bloody history of Christianity to see just how terrible it was/can be.

I refuse to feel any guilt over things that happened well before I was born.  That's like me calling you a racist because your great-great-great-great-great grandpa might have owned slaves.

How many Christian services end with the masses running into the streets chanting "Death to Islam"?

Also if you look at the demonstrations you will see the armed supporters of radical groups. This isn't a masive uprising of 1.2 billion muslims, this is a few thousand radicals trying to make a political point through fear and intimidation.

Nice statement of the obvious but please answer this:  If the allegedly peaceful Muslims outnumber the radicals a million to one, why don't they take back their peaceful religion in the name of Allah? 

[Frimp]

How about the Christian leader who prayed for the assination of a world leader and the death of a Supreme Court justice so a mor conservative one could be put in to end abortions. Plus you need to study the bloody history of Christianity to see just how terrible it was/can be.
Also if you look at the demonstrations you will see the armed supporters of radical groups. This isn't a masive uprising of 1.2 billion muslims, this is a few thousand radicals trying to make a political point through fear and intimidation.

Pat Robertson dug his own hole, and 90% of Americans denounced what he said. You are right. The are the actions of a few thousand radical (terrorists.) But, they are NOT being denounced by the rest of these "peace lovers"

[Frimp]

Islam is PEACE!!!!!!!

[bsmooth]

How many Christian services end with the masses running into the streets chanting "Death to Islam"?

Nice statement of the obvious but please answer this:  If the allegedly peaceful Muslims outnumber the radicals a million to one, why don't they take back their peaceful religion in the name of Allah? 

Show me where a majority of mosques end each of the 5 prayer sessions with that statement, and not just a small majority of radicals, much like the small majority of radicals who give Christians a bad name.
Right back at you on the taking back their religion from radicals, but on the Christian side.
You are truly biased against Islam and muslims, yet appearantly blnded to the negative ways Christian leaders in this country try and shape policy and law through religion.

[bsmooth]

Pat Robertson dug his own hole, and 90% of Americans denounced what he said. You are right. The are the actions of a few thousand radical (terrorists.) But, they are NOT being denounced by the rest of these "peace lovers"

BS. I have seen muslim clerics denounce attacks many times, but who gets the bigger press coverage, radicals, or denouncers? If it bleeds it leads. Also I saw politicians denounce Robertson, but I didn't see his Christian cronies rip him apart on air. Hell Ann Coulter who stated all muslims should be killed still has makes regular appearances on t.v. and in papers, and she is a die hard Christian mouthpiece. We can't just judge them, without looking at the comments people with media access to millions in this country are saying too.

[run_to_win]

Show me where a majority of mosques end each of the 5 prayer sessions with that statement, and not just a small majority of radicals, much like the small majority of radicals who give Christians a bad name.

Christian radicals do not have terrorist cells.

When these organizations begin homocide bombings THEN I'll see your point.

Salvation Army
Church World Service
Lutheran World Relief 
Bread for the World 
World Vision International@ 
World Relief

[Frimp]

Show me where a majority of mosques end each of the 5 prayer sessions with that statement, and not just a small majority of radicals, much like the small majority of radicals who give Christians a bad name.
Right back at you on the taking back their religion from radicals, but on the Christian side.
You are truly biased against Islam and muslims, yet appearantly blnded to the negative ways Christian leaders in this country try and shape policy and law through religion.

5 years ago, I had nothing against Islam. But, I watched the things unfold, and I saw these fanatics justifying terrorism due to religion. I also noticed that all these "peace lovers" were not doing anything about it. We were not the ones who made this about religion.

I cant believe how many Americans want us to forget about 9/11 and try to appease these thugs.

I wonder how they will like live under President Usef Ali bin Gaba.

[ADeadSmitty]

I don't deny that Christianity was bad for a pretty long period in the Middle Ages. Maybe they were even worse than Muslims are now, I don't know. But what concerns me is what's happening now. Basically there is a small group of fairly Westernized Muslims in the U.S. and Britain. But everywhere else (even elsewhere in Europe!) Islam seems to be basically a message of violence and hatred.

Again, no question Pat Robertson likes to occasionally shoot his mouth off. But there is an enormous difference between that, a more or less monthly deal where Robertson says something stupid that nobody thinks represents the views of Christians in the U.S. or anywhere and then has to apologize for it, and consistently and systematically teaching hatred, as Muslims do. Pat Robertson does not tell people to blow up buses to get into heaven. Radical Muslim groups do.

I guess it's fine to point out the many sensible Muslims and mosques who are perfectly peaceful and patriotic. But it's also irrelevant, since there DOES exist a radical ideology out there that we are struggling against. This is an ideological battle and we may as well admit it. Whether radical, blow-yourself-up Islam is the "true" Islam or not is a question for theologians and I'm not that interested in it. But what I do know is there are a hell of a lot of Muslims who are in fact willing to blow themselves up in order to kill other people, and that is a major concern.

Look at the crazy shit at http://www.memri.org. It is simply unbelievable the kind of filth that spews in these countries.

[SCFinFan]

One of the main differences between Christianity and Islam is that Islam has no centralized authorities. In Christianity, this is not the case. The Eastern Orthodox have a Patriarch, Catholics have the Pope, Anglicans have the Archbishop of Canterbury, and on down the list.

Muslims do not have any sort of structure like this. At one point they had, when the caliphates were still in operation, but no longer. Thus, it's kinda impossible for anyone to "take back" Islam. It isn't like they can elect in a new guy who'll be a little more sane.

Here's an interesting illustration of my point. In Spain, a Muslim group issued a fatwa (death warrant) on the head of Bin Laden after Jihadist attacks there. It doesn't come to anything though, as its not like that Spanish muslim group has any authority over anyone except its own members. And that, right there, is the key problem. Islam can't 'clean its own house' because it's own house is so amorphous it's impossible to really do anything across a broad spectrum of Muslims.

[run_to_win]

Look at the crazy shit at http://www.memri.org. It is simply unbelievable the kind of filth that spews in these countries.

MEMRI = Middle East Media Research Institute.  These are middle eastern people reporting on the events of the middle east.  This is NOT the watered down politically correct version that you get on network or cable news, or the Daily Show for those of you who don't realize that, in the words of Jon Stewart, "People, people.... WE MAKE IT UP!"