Joey Harrington

[Dphins4me]

I was pointing out a Heisman winner that was a bum.

Those guys were not bums.  They were just not professional style QB.  They ran the option.

[Dphins4me]

     You can't talk about Hesiman busts without metioning Oklahoma QB Jason White and University of Houston QB Andre Ware.

Ware is correct.  He was a top pick of the draft.  However, White was either a 7th Rd or FA.   Does not make him a bum.

Seems to me several posters are getting confused as to what the Heisman is.  Its for the best college player.  Not who is going to be the best NFL prospect.

Two different games those two are.  Jason White was a great college QB. However, poor arm strength was a killer for him at the pro level.

[doctord56]

Count me as contrarian, but I'd be happy to see Joey Harrington as our backup QB. He struggled in Detroit, but he has an NFL caliber arm and game experience. Unless by some miracle Vince Young falls to #16, who are we going to get any better to play backup? Kerry Collins is hardly the answer. If the cap hit is managable, I'd be happy to have him on the bench backing up Daunte.

[run_to_win]

You will never see a QB run the option in the NFL,

David Woodley and Ricky Turner come to mind.   

[Dphins4me]

David Woodley and Ricky Turner come to mind.   

Since Ricky Turner name does not strike up a memory I cannot comment on him, but Woodley did not run the option as a offense in the NFL & his career was very short lived.   

For clarification:   My comment was saying you will not see a QB who ran the option in college also find the same success doing so in the NFL.    He will have to change his game & so far it has not happened.

[Phishfan]

Just because a player is a great college QB, does not mean his game is worthy of the NFL.   

College ball & Pro are different.  You will never a QB run the option in the NFL, however in college they do it all the time.  Couch & Frazier were great college QBs.

So what if they are great college QBs? My post was made in relation to a statement that a QB receiving Heisman votes could not be considered a bum.

[Phishfan]

  They ran the option.

= NFL bum

[Dphins4me]

= NFL bum

Guess we have a different opinion on when it is appropriate to use the word "Bum"

I do not knock a player simply because his game is more geared towards college style ball..

[Dphins4me]

So what if they are great college QBs? My post was made in relation to a statement that a QB receiving Heisman votes could not be considered a bum.

I agree with whomever said you it is inaccurate for someone who won the Heisman to be called a bum.

Winning the Heisman is not a bearing on how they will do as an NFL Qb or if they have the talent to be an NFL QB.  Gino Torreta did not have the talent to be a NFL QB.  Neither did a few others, but they were still solid college QBs.

[Phishfan]

I agree with whomever said you it is inaccurate for someone who won the Heisman to be called a bum.

Winning the Heisman is not a bearing on how they will do as an NFL Qb or if they have the talent to be an NFL QB.  Gino Torreta did not have the talent to be a NFL QB.  Neither did a few others, but they were still solid college QBs.

He was making that referral while we were talking about his NFL career, so your statements about separating the two are not on point with our conversation. I don't care who was a good college QB. We are discussing the NFL quality of these guys and they are NFL bums.

[run_to_win]

Since Ricky Turner name does not strike up a memory I cannot comment on him, but Woodley did not run the option as a offense in the NFL & his career was very short lived. 

Turner ran the goal line veer option for the Colts for a season or two in the 80's.  True, the Dolphins did not run an option offense, but Woodley did indeed run the option on rare occasions during his short career in Miami.

For clarification:   My comment was saying you will not see a QB who ran the option in college also find the same success doing so in the NFL.    He will have to change his game & so far it has not happened.

Agreed. 

[JMoney13]

The Bears had Kordell Stewart run the option a handful of times a few years ago in the Dick Jauron days.

[fyo]

Word is, the Bills are shopping Losman around. They've apparently decided that Favre's backup, Craig Nall, is likely to win the starting spot, with Holcomb backing him up.

Losman and Harrington rank about the same in my book, although Losman arguable has more upside since he's only been in the league 2 years to Harrington's 4. If you compare their second seasons, they did about the same. Although it should be mentioned that Harrington was the starter his first season, whereas Losman came in off the bench 4 times (no starts).

[Dphins4me]

Word is, the Bills are shopping Losman around. They've apparently decided that Favre's backup, Craig Nall, is likely to win the starting spot, with Holcomb backing him up.

Losman and Harrington rank about the same in my book, although Losman arguable has more upside since he's only been in the league 2 years to Harrington's 4. If you compare their second seasons, they did about the same. Although it should be mentioned that Harrington was the starter his first season, whereas Losman came in off the bench 4 times (no starts).

Losman missed most of his rookie season with a broken ankle so last year was he first real chance at action.

[Brian Fein]

Harringoton >>>>>> Losman

Holcomb >>>>>>>>> Nall as well.  The Bills are idiots.